my fave hop shut friday. been there since before i was born

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walked down friday to put a fiver on and its got the shutters down and a laminated sign. thats it. no warning nothing
been going in there since i was 16 with me dad. mick behind the counter knew what i wanted before i opened me mouth
and the app has gone to shit as well. all me free bets vanished, the price boosts are gone, they used to do 2 quid back if the acca lost by one leg and thats not there anymore either. whats happened. is this everywhere or just up here??
 
sorry to hear that mate, that's rubbish
 
well is there any chance bingo got better? the 90 ball rooms i play have more sessions on now and the tickets are cheaper than they were in march. everything else has got worse tbh
 
Remote gaming duty went from 21% to 40% on 1 April. That's the whole answer to most of this.
It applies to online casino and slots, not sports betting yet. Sports goes to 25% next April, and bets on UK horse racing stay at 15%. So the free bets and price boosts disappearing on the sportsbook side is anticipatory rather than forced. They know what's coming.

The shops are a separate but connected problem. William Hill is owned by Evoke, and Evoke is being bought by Bally's Intralot for £243 million. Shareholders vote on it Monday. Their half-year results came out on Wednesday and they carry two material uncertainties about the company continuing as a going concern, both hanging on whether that deal completes.
Your shop closed because the sums stopped working, and the sums stopped working partly because of the tax.
 
ok yeah 40% FORTY!! so i put a tenner in and they take four quid off the top before i've even spun anything
and this is the same lot who spent two years telling us it was all about protecting vulnerable people. affordability checks, bank statements, prove you can afford it. now suddenly they've found a way to make a billion a year off the exact same activity they said was too dangerous. funny how that works isn't it. never about harm. never was
 
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ok yeah 40% FORTY!! so i put a tenner in and they take four quid off the top before i've even spun anything
and this is the same lot who spent two years telling us it was all about protecting vulnerable people. affordability checks, bank statements, prove you can afford it. now suddenly they've found a way to make a billion a year off the exact same activity they said was too dangerous. funny how that works isn't it. never about harm. never was
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thats not how it works. duty is on the operators gross gaming yield, stakes minus what they pay back out. it never touches your deposit. HMRC bills the operator, not you. so the reason you feel it anyway is that they recover it somewhere, and the two places they can reach are bonuses and RTP
 
that's the bit that's been doing my head in actually. i've kept a spreadsheet on my roulette sessions for two years, same stakes same table same everything, and since about may the numbers have drifted in a way they never did before
i thought it was just me running bad. everyone always says its variance don't they
 
soon be cheaper to just give the money to reeves directly and skip the middleman
 
@Scott1baird your instinct is probably right and roulette is actually the wrong game to spot it on, the maths there is fixed by the wheel. slots is where they have actual room to move. numbers are worse than people realise. a slot at 95% costs you 5p on every pound you put through it. drop that to 90% and it costs 10p. same game, same graphics, same everything you can see, and you're paying double. nobody announces it. it goes in the info panel and that;s considered telling you.
oh and there's also the bonus side. one industry forecast has igaming bonus spend going from about 17% of revenue down to 7%. that's where your free spins went.
 
grand shame chapman, thats a proper loss that. we had one go in ninety eight and the lads still talk about it
none of this touches us over here mind, different jurisdiction entirely, but half me regulars have english accounts on their phones and they've all been moaning the same. one fella showed me his acca on saturday and the prices were shocking compared to what he got last year
 
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