1st person tables are above the live ones in my lobby now

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Hey folks, I noticed this last week and then it happened on a 2nd site so its not a one off
Live casino lobby used to open on the dealer tables. Now the first person ones are sat on the top row with the dealer tables underneath. 1st person roulette, 1st person blackjack, 1st person lightning, all of it front and centre
So I spent a couple of evenings on both to see what the actual difference is. Feels like the 1st person blackjack deals in about a 3rd of the time because there's nobody waiting on five other players to decide. I got through maybe four times the hands per hour
Thing that surprised me is I didn't miss the dealer at all and Im not sure how I feel about that

Wondering if anyone else seen the lobby reshuffle or is it just these two??
 
i hate them and ill say why.. blackjack is a game you play against a person who is also doing a job. the pause while they count, the way they tap the felt, the fact that someone else at the table makes a stupid decision and you watch it happen. thats the game for me
like a spreadsheet with a card animation on it. i might as well play a slot
 
Four times the hands is four times the exposure to a negative edge, which is four times the expected loss per hour. The chances were never the scarce resource.

That is not a dig, it's just the arithmetic that makes speed the single most expensive variable in any table game. If you play a 99.4% game at 50 hands an hour and the same game at 200, you have quadrupled your cost of entertainment without changing anything else.

Speed is the product being sold here. Everything else is packaging.
 
Right, I have been waiting three years for a thread where I get to post this, so bear with me. Everyone assumes the RNG tables pay better because there is no dealer to pay for. Everyone. I believed it myself until I went and looked.
They don't.

First Person Blackjack runs 99.29% on the main game. Here's what Evolution's live blackjack range does:
  • Lightning Blackjack 99.59%
  • Power Blackjack 99.54%
  • Seven Seat 99.47%
  • Infinite Blackjack 99.47%
  • Bet Stacker 99.47%
  • Speed Blackjack 99.29%
  • Free Bet 98.45%
  • Easy Blackjack 97.00%

So First Person ties with Speed Blackjack and loses to five of the live tables. The cheapest seat in the building has a human being at it, and the machine that costs them nothing to run is not the one they are passing the savings on with.

What you actually get for going First Person is speed, no waiting, no chat, and a fresh six deck shoe every single round.
 
Because it removes any relationship between one round and the next.

In a shoe game the cards that have gone are gone, so the composition of what's left changes as you play. That's the entire basis of counting. Reshuffling after every round means the deck is always full, always the same, and nothing you observed in the last hand tells you anything about the next one.

For the vast majority of players this changes nothing, because they weren't counting anyway. For the game it means the house edge is fixed and immovable rather than fluctuating.
 
counting on a live stream with a camera on the shoe. yeah mate thats definitely happening
 
listen part of this nobody has raised is that the two formats have completely different trust models and most players have never thought about which one they prefer. with a live table you are trusting what you can see. physical shoe, a physical wheel, a person handling it on camera. verification is visual and it is quite good, because faking it would require a conspiracy involving staff on shift
with 1st person you are trusting a number generator you cannot see, certified by a lab you will never read a report from, running on a server you have no access to
most people in this thread would say they trust the live table more. I would say the RNG is more likely to be exactly what it claims, cause it is trivially auditable by a regulator and a physical table involves humans who can make mistakes. those two positions are both defensible and they lead to opposite choices.
 
I play more live dealer than almost anyone here and I'd take the opposite side of your conclusion while agreeing with your framing. Dealer mistakes you mention are a feature, not a bug, from where I sit. When something goes wrong at a live table there is a recording, a pit boss, a shift, a name. I have had a misdeal corrected and compensated inside 20 min because three people watched it happen.

When something goes wrong in First Person there is a server log you will never see and a support agent reading from a script. I know which of those I'd rather be arguing with.
 
that's a better argument than mine because it's about recourse rather than correctness and recourse is what actually matters to a player. taking that one.
 
worth putting the actual numbers behind why your lobby got rearranged, because they came out last thursday and they explain it completely
evolution q3. live revenue up 2.6% to €443.0m. RNG up 10.1% to €83.1m. so the no-dealer product is growing at nearly four times the rate of the dealer product
group revenue €526.1m, up 3.7%. profit down to €243.3m from €252.3m, partly on €12.1m of one-offs including a UKGC settlement fee and the legal costs of the galaxy gaming deal falling over
RNG is still only about a sixth of the business by revenue. but it's the sixth that's moving, it has no studio cost, no staffing cost and no shift patterns, and the margin on it is obviously better. if you ran that business you'd put it on the top row too
 
Well thats the answer then. I was wondering if it was a ux decision and its a margin decision
 
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Still the practical reason I use it yet is table availability. Live tables fill up. At peak hours on a mid sized site you can sit through three or four rounds waiting for a seat, or get bumped to a table with limits you didn't want. Infinite Blackjack solved some of that with unlimited seats but the classic seven seat tables still fill. FP is always open and always has a seat. For somebody who plays in half hour gaps rather than long sessions, that matters more than half a percent of RTP.
 
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